Fresh Starts: Olivia's Reflections on Growth and Change

Matt Gilhooly: 00:00:00

Hello my friends.

I just wanted to drop some special bonus episodes into the feed that you probably have not heard unless you are a part or an early part of the Patreon for the Life Shift podcast. If you don't know, I do have a Patreon. It currently only has two tiers.

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Matt Gilhooly: 00:00:33

But I used to have other tiers.

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Where people were so generous and were offering additional money each month to get bonus episodes and possible winnings of T shirts and all sorts of things.

And then I realized a couple months ago that I wasn't able to deliver what I wanted to, especially for those of you that were giving me the extra money. So right now we're just kind of doing the early episodes. You'll always get those.

So if you want to support the Life Shift podcast, please jump over to patreon.com forward/thelifeshiftpod podcast and you can find that information there. But I come on here because I want to share a series of these bonus episodes that I did early on in the Patreon journey.

There are like 20 plus episodes in which I had bonus recordings with previous guests. So I would go back and we would have a conversation about the experience of sharing their story on the Life Shift podcast. Catch up on anything.

And I think these are super important and I know most of them did not see the light of day from outside of the Patreon. So I'm going to be dropping these episodes. Whatever you're listening to now is another episode. So I'm going to use the same intro for all of them.

But here is one of the bonus episodes with a former guest from the Life Shift podcast. And if you like this, let me know because I'm thinking of bringing some of this back and talking to previous guests as I go into year four.

So enjoy this bonus episode that was once released on the Patreon feed. I'm Matt Gilhooley and this is the Life Shift Candid conversations about the pivotal moments that have changed lives forever.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:02:23

Hello, Olivia.

Olivia Howell: 00:02:24

Hi. How are you?

Matt Gilhooly: 00:02:26

Good. It's so weird because we never talk.

Olivia Howell: 00:02:28

Never. Not at all. And I didn't have withdrawal symptoms when you were away for the week and seeing Broadway shows back to back or anything.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:02:37

So if you're listening, Olivia was on episode 75 and I good Number. I think I just released episode 120, so I'm not quite sure where life has gone.

Olivia Howell: 00:02:49

I don't know. Yeah, that's. That's a lot of episodes, Matt.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:02:53

Well, you just passed 102 with a fresh story, so congratulations with that.

Olivia Howell: 00:02:58

Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of work. I'm tired.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:03:00

,: 2023

Olivia Howell: 00:03:15

Wow. Wow.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:03:16

You know, it's crazy. And you. You have your story.

I feel like you share your story in so many ways and so many platforms, and I was just honored that you wanted to kind of go through that journey and in the life shift format, if you will, of, like, what was that, you know, that significant smallest moment we could pinpoint and determine, like, where did everything change? Because you had a lot of a buildup. You had a lot of a buildup, but then there seemingly was a kind of like a smallish moment.

Maybe you can remind us of what your moment was.

Olivia Howell: 00:03:52

Yeah, it was a lot of buildup of a toxic relationship. And then the moment was cooking dinner when my husband, my ex husband said he had to leave. Right. So that was like it. That was the moment.

You know, you. I'm on a lot of podcasts. I love to guest on podcasts, but you have the unique experience of being my friend as well.

And so not only do you provide a safe space for people that they can come and talk on your podcast, but I felt doubly safe because you already kind of knew some of my story. And, you know, I knew that I could share freely without being judged and without being shamed.

And I think to date, I probably have shared more on your podcast than. Than any other podcast that I've ever. Including my own that I've ever talked about.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:04:40

Well, I. I think it's important because your story, although unique to you, I don't think is unique to, unfortunately, to a lot of people.

And, you know, what you guys do with the fresh starts, you know, and.

And a fresh story and just kind of bringing these stories to light and sharing that, like, any change in your life can be a positive one, even if it stems from something negative. And I love that reframing and what you guys do, you and your sister, who's also been on the podcast, sharing another similar story, unfortunately.

And you know, it's true.

Olivia Howell: 00:05:17

It's true. I was just thinking about that this morning, because divorce is like having A hot moment right now in the news.

I've been thinking a lot about the way that we talk about divorce, specifically at Fresh Starts, and I always want people to understand and realize that there is such a beautiful, positive way to reframe your divorce. Not that divorce isn't hard. Like, divorce is really hard. The process is hard. The healing is super hard. But so much of divorce is both.

And, right, you can both go through this really traumatic process and find joy at the end of it and find moments of joy within the process and feel really, you know, peaceful with the decision that you made.

So when you can reframe divorce as a positive decision that you make in your life, which is hard, and we have a lot of people that will say to us, but what if it wasn't my decision? Right?

And it's never easy to make a big decision about your life, and it's never easy to go through a legal battle with a person that you thought you were signing up to live the rest of your life with. Right? Like, nobody's saying that's easy, but when we can reframe divorce as a.

As kind of the second act of our life and say, like, okay, now we can make the decisions for our joy and our children's joy, and we can move forward. And I'm very sensitive to divorce stories that are. Right. I would like to say, like, kind of trapped in the past. Right. And there's, like, a lot of.

A lot, rightfully so, a lot of anger surrounding a lot of divorce stories. And I was just thinking this morning, like, I feel like it's okay to remind people, like, you don't need to be angry forever. Right. Like, you can.

You can move on. And that's so much of what we do at Fresh Starts.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:07:05

But you also can be angry in the moment, and you're allowed to feel sad and angry and all these emotions because we're human. And I think that's just natural. And I think society has also set up divorce as something that it's not. And, you know, I think it's.

It's created, like, this shame. And I think a lot of that's tied to religion and. And.

And things like that, but also in the sense of, like, people just change over their lives, and sometimes you don't change in the same direction as the person that you're married to, and that's okay. I mean, relationships before marriage end and change. And so, you know, I think this contract, if you will, of.

Of marriage kind of changes perspective, but it's really no different It's.

Olivia Howell: 00:07:47

It's wild when you actually take a second to think about it, right? Because you have different friends your whole life. You have friendships that end and friendships that start and friendships that ebb and flow.

And yet we're culturally told, but also, you have to find the one person you're going to spend the rest of your life with. And just because we're, you know, really, historically, it's a heterosexual marriage to have children. Right. And propagate the, you know, universe.

But, you know, why. Why do we shame people for wanting to change that relationship or transition into a divorce?

Because the relationship doesn't end, especially if you have children. It just transitions into a different kind of relationship. And so, you know, it's.

It's wild that we kind of have decided that this box people have to live in. I mean, I know you're all about that, that those check boxes and all those things, right.

It's like, yes, we can have colleagues that, you know, come and go and friends that come and go, but you have to find one person.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:08:40

So weird.

Olivia Howell: 00:08:40

Yeah, it's a very weird concept. Yeah.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:08:43

But, I mean, I guess it's not probably going anywhere. So I love that you guys are putting into the world that, like, this can be a fresh start in a positive way.

Of course there is going to be quote, unquote, baggage or are things that come with it, but you don't have to carry that forever. There are things that you can let go eventually when you are ready. And I.

And to that point, I know you don't listen to a lot of the episodes of shows that you're on, but I know that you did listen to this one. How did you feel listening to you tell your own story in this way?

Olivia Howell: 00:09:14

Well, it's funny you say that, because we were just on a podcast yesterday, and my whole family was like, it was so good. And I was like, I didn't listen to it, but I do listen. I listened to your podcast and I listened to. I listened to this episode.

Well, first of all, I think the. The number one thing that came up for me was how well you hold space for people.

I just have to put that on you for a second because I think the people that come on wouldn't feel safe, wouldn't share their stories if it wasn't for the atmosphere you set. So that was the number one takeaway that I had. But I think again, like you said, my story is not that unique.

And so it's important for me to be honest about it and share it on a platform that I know other people who listen to your podcast would maybe learn something or, you know, you probably get an audience of people that want to dig deep into these conversations. And so I was really happy, obviously, with the way that the episode came out. I thought it was beautiful.

I think you set a tone of such calm and peace, and so it made it easy to be calm and share my story and remember every part that I had to remember. And I love that it was centered around this one moment, which did change my life.

And, you know, with divorce, especially, because divorce can go on for a long time, and the process is long, and you kind of have these different milestones that you go through with divorce. You know, like the moment that he decides to leave, and then the moment he actually does leave, and then the moment you sign your papers. Right.

And so I love that you kind of forced me to pick that one moment and work up to that.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:10:49

I think it's always interesting to. I hear this from other people, and I wonder if you experience this as. Sometimes we tell our stories, but we always tell it in chunks, like, And.

And they're little chunks here, but we don't really tell it from here to here, or, like, beginning to not end, but a particular ending. And so, like, when I listened to my own episode that I had my friend, guest host, it was so interesting to hear it from that perspective.

And I wonder if telling your story in that long space was a little weird for you.

Olivia Howell: 00:11:20

I think it was. It was cool. It was cool to kind of see it from, like, an overhead point of view. I am a clinical hypnotherapist, and one of the activities.

One of the modalities I do with people is called time techniques.

And you kind of go into this hypnotic space, and you go up above your timeline of your life, and you get to rearrange things, because everything is just a story. Like, spoiler alert. Everything about us is just a story. We can rewrite those stories. And so it was kind of reminded me of that. Right.

It's like you get to float above your timeline and see their story in kind of this big chunk. And it is. It's really cool to see that it's.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:11:56

Unique for you because this is, like, a lot of my guests maybe haven't told their story before, but your whole business is really because of your story. And so most people that probably listened to this episode have heard your story in some way.

Did you get any feedback from anyone that was, like, kind of unique or stood out to you?

Olivia Howell: 00:12:16

I mean, I definitely did Because I think that it was the first time I told it in. In its entirety, like you said.

And so I had a lot of people that were like, you know, I didn't know these parts of the story or, like, that made sense. Like, once, you know, kind of I put the whole thing together.

And it's interesting telling my story, too, because I always am very aware that I'm telling my story and not anybody else's story. And so, you know, it's interesting to really see it, like, from the whole story, from my perspective.

And I think other people really enjoyed learning more about. Like, I don't share. You know, I. It's funny. I'm a very much an open book, and I share everything on social media.

Like, I talk about everything, except I don't always share parts of this particular story. And I don't know if it's a conscious thing because, like, I save it for podcasts or my book someday or whatever. I also think. I don't know.

As public as I am, there's parts of the story that are really hard to talk about. And so it's good to have a safe space to do that.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:13:17

There's a lot of hard parts of a lot of people's stories, and I think the more that we share ours, the more safe other people feel sharing theirs. Because, like you said, where all of our lives are a story, right? And there's not always. It's not always going to be up at the top.

You know, we're not always going to be at these hills and these mountains and these wonderful things that we can celebrate. In fact, a lot of the time, or most of the time, we're on the way down trying to, like, figure out how to get back up.

And I think those are the places in which we can relate to each other the most. Right.

And so, you know, hopefully we start flipping this more so that not to say that we want to, like, tell everyone our dirty laundry and everything is terrible and the whole world is falling apart, which may.

It may be, but I think those are the moments in which we can relate to each other the most and then find hope when one of us or a couple of us start to find our way back up 100.

Olivia Howell: 00:14:14

You have to hear other people's stories to know that you can make it through your own story, too. Yeah.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:14:18

nged in your life since April: 2023

Olivia Howell: 00:14:25

Okay. So since almost a year ago. Well, we released a book that we love called simple scripts to support your people.

And then four months later with the book did very well. We self published the book, but it sold over 700 copies, which is like unheard of for a self published book in four months.

And then four months later, Ish, a literary agent dropped into our laps and we are working on a book proposal for him. But he, we had to pull our original book off the market so we could work on this other book because of book bureaucracy things.

So we actually have put all the scripts on the website. So there's now 200 scripts for free up on fresh starts registry.com and I don't know what else is happening. I mean, so many things.

We have amazing experts. We now have about 120plus experts in our expert community. We're growing it very quickly. I don't know, we're just constantly.

We, we had a podcast cohort. I don't know, just a lot. It's a lot. It's all good things. Yeah, yeah.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:15:33

And it's happening really rapidly. Your kids are growing quickly and they.

Olivia Howell: 00:15:36

Are, I know this summer they'll be 11 and 8, which is like crazy. I don't know.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:15:43

Yeah, it's, you know, and I think it's, it's something to be said. Like you said like your, your company is not just about divorce. Right. The company is about Fresh Starts, naturally.

There's a lot of talk going on now about divorce and how this, the millennials are going to start to get divorced in a more rapid rate. Like we're, we're gonna see a higher amount coming soon.

Olivia Howell: 00:16:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And our book is not about divorce. Our book that we're writing right now, now is about Fresh Starts.

And so, you know, we see a lot of people who come to Fresh Starts for so many things right now we have a lot of job loss, a lot of job change. W Who just want some sort of change in their life. Right. That, that life.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:16:23

I think the pandemic brought it to.

Olivia Howell: 00:16:25

The pandemic brought out a lot. You know, it's interesting because now we're four year this week. Right. Four years post pandemic launch.

And I think people are kind of just trying figuring stuff out now of like, wait, I actually don't want to be in this relationship or this job or this place. You know, we get a lot of people that are making big moves.

So so much of what we do at Fresh Starts and what our book is about is really like giving people the permission, right. To like make these big decisions on their own, which is scary.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:16:56

Proud about them.

Olivia Howell: 00:16:56

Yeah. And like, to get to figure out the journey forward. Right. As you make these decisions and how to get where you want to go.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:17:03

Yeah.

I think you take the stigma out of a lot of these big changes, I think even changes that maybe on the surface don't seem shameful or things that people want to hide. They still do. Because I think we're conditioned in a sense that we want other people to approve of what we're doing or not. Doubtless.

Olivia Howell: 00:17:22

It's interesting, too, Matt, because now that you say that, I'm thinking we have a lot of, like, women especially, that will come to us, and they're like, I just bought my own house. Like, do I get to celebrate? Like, do I get a party? Right. I think we compare everything we do to babies and weddings. Right.

Is it, how does it stand up to a baby or wedding? Right. Is it enough celebration? Is it. Do I not talk about it? Right. I graduated my PhD. Whatever it is, it's like, is that good enough?

And so, so much of what we do is being like, yes, like, there's so much more to life than B and weddings. And you're allowed to celebrate it all, and you're allowed to have a registry for it and a party and, yeah, just giving people their permission.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:18:00

You can do whatever you want.

Olivia Howell: 00:18:02

There's no rules. There are literally no rules. This is all made up. Time is made up. There's no, there's no, Everything is made up.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:18:08

It, I mean, I, I love that. And I think you're putting so much positivity into the world and destigmatizing things that shouldn't have a stigma anyway.

And so I think as we move forward with it, I think it's such a, it's a wonderful thing for people to consider. And of course, people listening will include the links to, to what you do.

I'm wondering, like, on the podcast front, when you're listening, when you go to listen, I know you're super busy and you probably don't have a lot of time to listen to shows just in general, what kind of stories, what kind of stories do you gravitate towards in any kind of podcast that you listen to?

Olivia Howell: 00:18:41

I love that question. I love your podcast. So I love all the stories. I, I, it's funny, I don't listen to as many as I used to. I listened to, like, a handful.

So I'll tell you exactly who I listen to your podcast I to Time to Lean, which is with another one of our experts, Crystal Britt and our friend Laura Danger. Which is really focused on domestic equity and talking about household labor and mental labor.

And it's, it's not necessarily stories, but they break down a lot of like TikTok videos and it's interest. Very interesting. I listen to Pop Culture Happy Hour while I usually, while I'm doing something else smart list if it's somebody that I like.

And then that's pretty much it. Like not a ton of podcasts right now.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:19:24

I really, I asked that question because I find that I really gravitate towards stories that are very much like my own because I think I'm curious.

Olivia Howell: 00:19:33

Yes, I listened to. I was gonna say we had another friend of ours launch a parenting podcast, Give it Time, which, But I, I, you know what I'm gonna say.

I love when I know the people on the podcasts. Like I, I really try to list. I really, really try to listen to my friends podcasts or if my friend is on a podcast, I'll listen.

It just, it's exciting, right? It's like, oh, I know the person or like I get to support them. And I love to hear the perspectives of the people I love on podcasts. So, you know.

Yeah. But I listen to our own podcast as I edit it. And so it is a lot of podcast. Yeah, a lot of podcasts.

You know, there's a couple other ones, Fine Beats and Cheeses, which is with our friends Leslie Streeter and Lynn Childress. That's a pop culture podcast. We just had them on our podcast because we're doing a sibling season coming up, which I'm so excited about.

It's exploring the sibling dynamics. And so we're having some really cool sibling sets coming on and some past guests are bringing their siblings back.

And so we had them on because they're twins and they had. One of them is a widow. And we talked about how the sisters supported each other like in that time. So I'm, I'm.

Because Jenny and I, not shockingly, are fascinated by sibling dynamics. We've.

That was actually, we wanted to do a sibling podcast before anything else that years ago we wanted to have one that was going to be called had to Be There and it was going to be about like growing up together and what that looked like. And then Kate and Oliver Hudson stole our podcast idea. So. But they can come on. I actually invited them on ours, but they haven't heard back.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:21:08

Maybe they will. I'll, I'll, I'll put out some, some feelers out there for you.

Olivia Howell: 00:21:13

We had, we actually had our half sister come on to our first episode is with our half sister, which was a really beautiful episode and sad and interesting. And I think people will.

People will really, I think, learn a lot from it because a lot of people have half siblings, and we don't really talk about how weird that can be. And so it's going to be the next season is more.

We're calling them Fresh Conversations because they're not just fresh stories, but the Fresh Start stories, but they're kind of different topics. So we have one about how dating apps are a scam.

We have kind of like, about a lot of beautiful stories about marriage, fresh starts, and how you can kind of come back from slow, low times of marriage, which I love. And then we'll have the sibling season and then more conversations. So it's quick. It's.

I mean, you know how quickly you kind of book up for the rest of the year. It's like, well, there goes that. So now I just have to edit everything.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:22:07

Speaking of weird, isn't it weird? I don't know if you're finding this.

I think it's weird that people seem to be more open and free sharing their ideas on a recorded podcast than maybe they would be in person face to face, 100%.

Olivia Howell: 00:22:23

And it's funny. We've had a couple wonderful inventors and innovators on the podcast. And when I say, like, what's coming up next for you?

They'll share without thinking, like, patent ideas or like, things that they shouldn't be talking about. And they're like, oh, no, can you, like, edit that out? And I'm like, yeah, totally. Yeah.

I think, you know, Matt, you and I talk about this a lot, and I just saw somebody tweet about this. But, like, being a podcast host is so much more than being a podcast host, right?

It's like being a therapist and holding space and trauma and I mean, you know, we did our whole season on child loss for October was pregnancy and infant loss awareness. And you were a huge support to me during that season because those were some heavy stories that I had to hold.

And it's not just about holding the space while you record. It's putting the episode out and making sure you're honoring. And in this case, it was a dead child. Right.

And so that was probably one of the proudest pieces that whole season. I will never be prouder of anything. I think that we put out. And, you know, in full transparency, I didn't even care what our listeners were like.

I didn't care how many we got. But I Will say, we got some beautiful messages from. I mean, the women that share their stories were so brave.

And we got some messages from their family members that were like, thank you for letting them share their stories. Like, you know, and so I will never forget that. Doing that. It changed me. It absolutely changed me.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:23:48

I think there's so much value in not the episode actually going out, but being able to hold a space for someone to just let their story out, because then sometimes they've never said it out loud. It's been in, or they've written it on a piece of paper.

You know, I've had episodes that don't sound as good as I want them to, you know, like, actually the audio of it.

But I find the story so important that it's like, I can't not put this out there one, because this person needs to hear themselves tell the story more than anyone else hearing it. Right. And so there's so much value there.

And I think it's this weird space, as a podcast host, creator, whatever we call ourselves, that it's like you have this battle of, like, what do I cut out? Or where do I put this? Or, you know, when do I put this out, how can I put this out, even if it doesn't sound great, you know, and all these things.

And I think to your point of, like, that season with child loss and pregnancy loss, these are. Those stories were probably so important for them to say out loud, you know, to just.

Olivia Howell: 00:24:51

Yeah, it's interesting. 100. And we've had. And I'm sure you've had this too. We've had people share really tragic stories, and sometimes, you know, with tragedy comes.

You have to distance yourself from it. And sometimes people will say things, and I'm like, oh, that's not going to come off the way you think it's going to come off to the public. Right.

And so I don't edit anybody's story, but I do want them to be perceived as. I understood what they were saying. Right.

But it's like, if you don't listen to maybe the whole episode or you don't understand the full context, it might sound flippant. And so I've definitely had to kind of figure that situation out sometimes, too.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:25:28

Well, I think what you guys are doing is beautiful. I think what you though, the space that you hold. I love that you're doing thematic seasons now with the show and kind of creating that.

Olivia Howell: 00:25:38

Yeah.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:25:39

I think it also, you know, as hard as it can be with whatever topic you choose, I think it's also really interesting for you to spend that time in that space.

Olivia Howell: 00:25:48

It is, because I have add and I can't. I can't. I get bored. You know, I'm like, you know, I love the conversations.

I could keep going with conversations all the time, but what we found is that people, it's not just that they have fresh start stories, but they have fresh ideas, right? And so we're like, well, bring us your fresh ideas. Bring us the conversations nobody else wants to talk about. And that's what we absolutely love.

But I enjoy the thematic. You know, I.

There's a part of me, I used to be a journalist, you know, I'm a writer, and so part of me loves that, like, NPR style, you know, digging in and, you know, having the thematic seasons. So I don't know what we're going to do next year, but we'll. We'll figure it out. It usually comes to us.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:26:25

Don't worry about it.

Olivia Howell: 00:26:25

You got enough on your plate. It's always, It's. It's interesting. Usually somebody will say something, and I'm like, oh, that would be a really cool idea for a season.

You know, we have a couple people that wanted to do a whole season about widows, and, you know, so we'll see what comes up.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:26:40

Hey, don't worry about it. I think you have enough.

Olivia Howell: 00:26:42

I don't. I don't have enough of my plate mat. I haven't always.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:26:45

Never enough.

Olivia Howell: 00:26:46

Never enough.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:26:46

So to kind of wrap up this conversation, I'm wondering if there's someone that's out there that listens to podcasts that has a story but never really shares it publicly. Is there anything that you would want to advise them about starting to share their story or any, like, tiptoeing in. Is there any advice you have?

Olivia Howell: 00:27:04

You know, I always say, like, when it comes to sharing your story, really, like, start journaling about the story from your perspective. Right?

Because I think so much of our hesitation with sharing stories is we don't want to project what we thought the other person was thinking into the story. And so really try to. I literally look at it, look at it in my head like a movie scene, right? And it's like, well, what was I doing? Where was I?

What was I thinking? And kind of erasing that other person out of the scene.

And just seeing yourself through that will help figure out how you can tell your story with grace.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:27:37

And also know that, like, you don't have to share it on a podcast. You can share it with a friend, you can share it with a stranger. You can share it however you need to.

Olivia Howell: 00:27:44

And journaling. Journaling is a wonderful way to get out of your body always.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:27:47

Yeah, I love that.

Olivia Howell: 00:27:48

Or drawing. Or art. Yeah.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:27:50

Yeah.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:27:50

Any kind of creative outlet, I think, is really helpful for any kind of processing. Oh, I know. I don't do a voicemail. I'll do a podcast, but I won't do a voice note.

Olivia Howell: 00:27:59

Well, just to get out of your.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:28:00

Body, if people want to, like, get into your orbit, what's the best way to do that?

Olivia Howell: 00:28:05

Yeah, you can go to fresh starts registry.com where fresh starts Registry on Instagram. And my personal handle is the Digital Yenta. And you can always DM me and say hi.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:28:15

Yeah. And she loves it, by the way.

Olivia Howell: 00:28:16

I do. I love it. I'm a big ganta.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:28:18

She likes to connect and cheerlead and all these things. So thank you for being a guest and a friend and everyday podcast, everyday texter. But not when I'm in New York. Sorry.

Olivia Howell: 00:28:31

No, sorry. You were too busy seeing all the Bradley shoes.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:28:35

Well, thank you for doing this and those of you listening, thank you for supporting the Patreon community. And I'll be back next month with another bonus episode.

Matt Gilhooly: 00:28:53

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